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I wasnt expecting to be purchasing the d&d minis game. thats what this edition is, its garbage if youre expecting "d&d". if you arent looking for a table top miniatures wargame, save your money.
You can specialize. Still, I can live with the HP flaw.- UNREALISTIC HEALING SURGES. If 4e is too boring and balanced for you, it's easy to spice it up. Unfortunately, 4E forces players to spread out their training. You pull the trigger and it might not even kill an orc.
Alt-Rule: At the start of his adventuring life, each hero obtains a divine amulet that effectively gives the same healing surges, but the power comes from their deity via the amulet. Finally, the old rules were too complex. PROS: - Balanced and simplified.- Mostly logical and intuitive.- Plenty of variety and options. If I want nonstop die rolling, I'd just play a wargame with loads of miniatures. Consider having AC cover all defenses (thereby eliminating the 3 other defense stats). First, you have plenty of Races to choose from (dozens if you include supplements).
It's easy to criticize, so let's all put our game designer hat on for second. That 5 star RPG is extinct. How's that for spicing things up. Give one or two characters a magic weapon that causes 12d6.
C'mon. (Let's not quibble about the numbers I picked, just follow the logic).Therefore, you can't have it both ways: you can't have more options AND more balance. It's great that all the classes and races are finally are in sync. One has more flexibility; the other has more balance.
There's no way around this, from a game design perspective. Yes, the previous system was flawed: you had to have many potions of healing and/or a generous Cleric in the party. Wizards and Clerics can make their implements their "amulets." If they lose their amulet, they can get a new one from their house of worship, although it would be more interesting to have them go on a challenging quest to find a replacement amulet. Or better yet, one that causes 1-100 HP of damage. When you combine surges with easy resurrections, characters can now truly laugh at the face of death.- COMBAT IS STILL TOO COMPLEX AND TIME-CONSUMING. This is boring and adds little to game balance.
Frankly, I'm still overwhelmed. I'm into roleplaying, not rollplaying. However, I still dislike that a single battle can take up an hour of gaming to complete. As you pull down one lever, the other goes up.Moreover, those who complain about 4e's "lack of options" are overreacting. In comparison, 4e lets you make characters anywhere from 75 to 85. In D&D, it seems easier to believe that such a healing ability would come from an artifact, not from an innate ability.- DEATH HAS LOST ITS STING.
Result. In 4e, your character can instantly boost his hit points by 25% of his maximum value. I wish the combat system were even more simple and faster. However, try explaining them to a novice. Now that's fun and random. All these ideas are radical, but there must be a way to speed up combat without totally giving up realism.- SKILL SYSTEM NEEDS WORK: Characters should be able to laser focus on a skill and become insanely good at it if they are willing to pay the price (i.e., not be that good at lots of other skills). Yes, 3e was more flexible, but it was also less balanced than 4e. Since 4e still has plenty of flexibility, I'd rather not trade in game balance to get even more options.
4E is part of the evolution toward logic and balance. Possible simplifications: get rid of opportunity attacks and forbid the "targeting" or "cursing" of an enemy (which results in the annoying task of keeping track of them). That translates into:* Less time looking up and debating the rules and more time roleplaying.* Less time rolling dice in complicated combat and more time roleplaying.* More balanced characters, which leads to more equal contribution and teamwork.There's still a MYRIAD of options to choose from. Wizards were always painfully weak at low levels and painfully strong at high levels. I value balance and simplicity for the sake of more roleplaying and fairness. Oh, and he can do this several times a day. As long as they don't piss off their deity, the amulet continues to work. D&D has always suffered from being unbalanced.
You hate how everyone has a power that causes 6d6 of damage. It's a pity WotC didn't correct this design flaw to something like the Alternity system. - Faster paced than previous versions, which increases the fun factor.CONS:- UNREALISTIC HIT POINTS SYSTEM. You can do it, but 4e is much easier. You get 5 points when you initially train in something, but from then on, you can't purposely train more on one skill to improve it disproportionately to your other skills.
Have the damage be automatically determined based on how much you exceed the "to hit" goal. The idea that characters can heal massive injuries in seconds and climb out of death's door without any magic or divide intervention is a bit too much fantasy for me. In short, in 4e the fear of death is nearly gone. Although that might be an improvement from 85%, it's still way too high. Finally, you can always add color by roleplaying the character anyway you want.However, all these options may not be enough for some.
If I give 50 skill points to a character and say, "Spend it as you will" (with a few basic limitations), then it would be just like how players assign points to their ability scores during character creation. If you want even more options, then bend the rules as much as you want, just like people did in all the other previous editions of D&D. I've been playing D&D since its the late 1970s. However, the concept of a healing surge just feels too much like a video game.
The more bells and whistles you put in, the less balance you'll get. They've come a long way at simplifying combat and they deserve credit for that. If his max HP is 100, then, when he has only 3 HP left, he can magically jump to 28 HP. It never made sense that a high level, but 70 year old human wizard, can survive a building falling on him (or that a low level thief trying to guillotine the old Wizard's throat with a heavy battle axe while the Wizard sleeps).
(It's still not super easy though).CONCLUSION: For those that value the roleplaying and teamwork aspects of D&D, you'll love 4e because its rules are streamlined and simplified from previous versions. Although you lose detail and realism as you speed up a combat system, I wouldn't mind paying that price. Each character comes up with a story of how they got their amulet. Not enough. In a gaming session, combat still occupies roughly 75% of the gaming time. In short, 4e is just a framework. However, for the rest of us who like roleplaying and balance, D&D has taken a big step in the right direction.
Invent some. It's called Alternity. I've heard all the "logic" behind D&D hit points, but it still insults everyone's intelligence and demands a bit too much fantasy in such scenarios. Then make all players roll their ability scores instead of having them choose a standard array of scores. Its default settings are balanced. You improve moderately everywhere.
And it's about time too. It's not only relatively easy to Raise Dead, but it's super easy to recover from it (just achieve 3 milestones and you're as good as new). It's not a great solution, but I can stomach it more than the standard 4e rule, which has us believe that the heroes have this innate ability to heal themselves quickly. I've always disliked the unrealistic way that D&D handles hit points. In old D&D, you would permanently lose one point of Constitution with each resurrection and there was a percentage chance that you wouldn't even be able to be resurrected. Fighters always got more boring as they went up in levels. The only way to protect yourself in Alternity was to get heavy armor, which absorbs damage. Second, you have plenty of classes to choose from (even more if you include supplements).
Let's say 3e gave you the capacity to make characters that were anywhere from a 50 to 95. You hate all the balance in 4e. Now if it could just further streamline combat (by forgoing some realism and detail), improve the skills system, and make death scary again, then this RPG would get 5 stars. One solution would be to do away with surges and just give characters far more hit points. Sure, if you've played D&D for as long as I have, they're don't seem complicated. In that system your hit points are based on your Constitution, and it barely goes up as you gain experience. Other times it takes down a dragon.
Let's rate a game on 1-100 scale, in terms of the variety of characters you can make. You want variety. With die rolling, you'll get some who are quite powerful, while others are quite weak. Meanwhile, a muscular fighter in his 20s would die instantly in these two scenarios just because he's 1st level. Please.
And people say there is not enough variety or options. That's when you can toss out the rulebook and start making new rules. You want an illusionist. Just pick powers/spells that emphasize illusions. However, this opens another can of worms.Therefore, my house-rule is a kludgey solution, but it helps add a touch of "fantasy realism" to this new healing surge feature that I simply find hard to swallow. Power gamers and min-maxers will probably disagree with me.
The balance would still basically be there (i.e., every 10th level character has x many skill points to dole out), but players would enjoy greater skill specialization.TO MOST CRITICS:The main gripe that 4e critics have is that they dislike the lack of flexibility of 4e. The more balance you strive for, the fewer options you must give the players. In 4e you can play a Bugbear, Doppelganger, Drow, Githyanki, Githzerai,Gnoll, Goblin, Hobgoblin, Kobold, Minotaur, and even an Orc. P.S.
Sorry to see Druids and Monks eliminated.Noticed that the DMG is pretty fluffy. I used to play D&D back in the day but haven't been able to get back into it recently partially due to the complexity of the 3.x editions. 4e is a good version of the game. If you are on a budget, the players handbook is really what you need to figure out how 4e works. It's the best combat system of all the versions imo.
The hit/miss resolution for skills and attacks is better than previous versions IMHO. Powers fall into 3 categories: at-will, encounter, and daily. There are many compromises like that where rules are simpler to make the game easier on DMs and more fast-paced. While it's certainly probable that a balanced party of 5 lvl18 characters will defeat it if it's alone, it could easily be 2 dozen rounds before that thing goes down. The biggest thing that annoys me is the power-tier system.
So that's 1 round you use your encounter power, 1 for your daily (if you have it) and then you spam one of 2 at-will powers for the remainder of the battle. Everyone else simply maxed out the damage they could normally roll. Changed that, too.THE UGLY: The "healing surge" rules took some getting used to. Will.THE BAD: For those that were used to the customizability of your character in 3E, a lot of it is gone.
AC or Constitution vs. Things that always annoyed me (like how a fighter's AC never improved as his level went up unless his gear improved) have been mostly addressed in a rather concise fashion and the game is clearly designed so that combat is faster-paced and everyone has a distinct combat style. That was fairly easy to fix. and with some in-house tweaking, the funnest. For example, a level 18 mordrant hydra has 880hp according to the 4th edition MM. For example, you can't attack with 2 weapons unless you have a skill/feat that allows you to.
The combat is much more tactical and even semi-large battles are not easy to play without a graphical representation. Encounter can be used once per encounter and daily is used roughly once or twice per day. THE GOOD: While many will lampoon WotC's efforts as an attempt to mimic MMORPGs, if you keep an open mind it is probably the best balanced version of D&D ever made. Granted, back in the old days, most classes except the mage and cleric only had one option each round anyway but why penalize the casters to balance the non-casters. (There are utility powers and rituals as well and they don't typically count against those quotas).
Also, unless I read the rules wrong, only high crit weapons got to roll extra dice for natural 20s.
Most of the skills you acquire will fall into daily or encounter (at level 18, your AT-WILL/ENCOUNTER/DAILY powers learned is 2/4/3).
Especially when you have a half-dozen armored types knocking each other around.
Just about all skills/powers have an entry that says something like Dexterity vs.
You don't necessarily need miniatures; coins, tokens and grid paper should be enough.BOTTOM LINE: Aside from long battles where you might be using 1 at-will power ad nauseum and critical hits not scaling for weapons that weren't "High crit", I thought it was a pretty solid edition.
At-will can generally be used every round.
But some battles last a pretty long time.
Once you understand that healing scales very well in this version (a level 20 fighter gets SUBSTANTIALLY more HP from being the recipient of "Lay On Hands" than a level 2 fighter - even from the same paladin) and that without a hard limit on healing most characters would be unstoppable if a healing spell happened to be an AtWill power, it starts to make sense.
A couple "house rules" to patch up the deficiencies and you should have a blast.
This couldn't be further from the truth. I was hesitant at first to buy the Dungeons & Dragons Fourth Edition set because I've heard a lot of negative things about it. That it's much simpler and ruins the feel of D&D for veterans of the game. This game still feels completely like D&D and they fix many of the problems that 3.5 had while streamlining the game to make it move faster and involve a lot less math.An example of which is their doing away with Level Adjustments for playing certain races, such as the Tieflings. Everything has instead been balanced out almost perfectly.I highly recommend this to anyone who has 3.5, once you play a game with this system you'll want to sell all your 3.5 books.
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